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macfly
March 8th 2003, 17:26
This list is based on personal observations rather than a maker's list, so there may well be more parts that I'm unaware of.

EU & US exhaust emissions monitoring systems are different. You can spend a lot of time and effort to come out with essentially the same readings on the DOT emission sensors if you federalize a Euro, so it appears it's just a different way of doing the same thing.

EU & US transmitters work on different frequencies, the EU electric key can't be read by the US service center's key reader, and also it's hard to get spare keys for the Euro, you have to buy them from a dealer in the country of origin to be certain it'll work with your car.

EU & US phone systems are different, I could never get my EU car to work in the US without ripping the whole thing out and putting a US spec system in.

EU speedo face is marked in KPH and measures distance in kilometers.
US speedo is only in MPH & distance in miles.

EU has split (dual angle) outside mirrors.
US has "Objects closer than they appear" on the less useful flat passanger mirror.

EU has a cleaner rear bumper valance with a long EU plate shaped scallop.
US rear bumper valance has deeper scallop for US plates and little red reflectors embedded in it.

EU has amber upper element for the turn signal in the neon tail lights.
US car tail light assembly is all red.

EU has a folding red warning triangle in the tool space.
US doesn't have this.

US has a VIN plate mounted on top of the dashboard behind windshield.
US has a glow in the dark 'rip cord' in the trunk, incase you get trapped in there!
US has several air bag warning stickers in the interior.
US radio has the infuriating 'warning' each time you turn it on.
US has the famous cup holder.
US headlights have a "splitter" in the Xenon lights, the Euro lights are too bright. (conversion to US requires you to replace the whole headlamp unit for that reason)
US has an "Unleaded Only" transfer on the fuel gauge, and in the fuel cap cavity.
I have also been told that these parts are different, but can't confirm it.
*There is a different threshold/velocity/power on airbag.
*Different energy absorbers under the bumpers.
*Alarm sensors are different.


Alpina differences
From Autoweek (Jan 6, 2003)

Besides the obvious Alpina Switchtronic automatic tranny, the Alpina motor isn't an M motor. It uses a dedicated 4.8 liter V8 (designation F5/1) that has BMW manufactured parts based on Alpina parameters (similar to the Alpina developed 4.6 V8 used in the X5). Alpina then grinds, smooths, polishes and assembles the motor. It weighs 90 pounds less and has 1/3 closer tolerances than the M62 in the Z8. The result is less horsepower (375) but producing more torque (383 lb-ft) at lower rpm (3800) and a reduced redline of 6500 rather vs the M62s 7200. The top end is also electronically limited to 161 - not sure if that's the same as the Z8 or not. Not bad for a non-M motor.

Tranny ratios are: 1st) 3.57; 2nd) 2,20; 3rd) 1.51; 4th) 1.00; 5th) .80; Final ddrive ratio :1 is 3.38

They also softened the front suspension slightly to accomodate the low profile tire/rim combination. The aim was to give more grunt for city driving and overtaking situations. Don't know if this helps, but that's a quick synopsis of the primary differences in the Z8 and the Alpina Roadster V8.

macfly
May 4th 2003, 06:31
Here is the full run down on what it takes to make a Euro car CA legal.

As you may already know your car must first be registered in another state for 24 months, and accumulate over 11,000 miles. I chose AZ, they are so easy about it there. (CA won't allow you to register a new car within 24 months of production, it is a bureaucratic grey market block they have created).

If your car was imported to Long Beach, as many were, and federalized by G&K Automotive (714 444 9108) you are in luck, as they are the only place in SoCal who are licensed to Federalize cars, and also 'Californiate' them. The two modifications are the same, only the tests and paperwork are different. Thus if your Euro has all the 'Fed' paperwork from G&K your CA test will be a simple 3 week affair, and cost around $2,800. (Test, submit paperwork while car is in quarentine, and then when it gets it's sticker off you go.)

If you brought the car in through any other state G&K are required to start the job from scratch all over again, thus it'll cost you around $7,200 to Californiate it.

While I was at G&K I had the pleasure of an up close look at 2 McLarens, 4 575 soft tops, 6 360's, 2 RUF turbos, the cars that go thru there are amazing, and they are all car nuts, so I didn't feel bad about leaving my baby there. It was parked up and covered beside a McLaren that cost ten times what mine did! Would you believe there are already over 20 of them here in CA, all Californiated by G&K.

Would I ever go thru the aggravation of importing a grey market car again? Maybe, with a saving of 30% or so I might, but it is a real pain. That said if you want a McLaren here in CA you don’t have any choice. In short if you can buy a car thru a CA based BMW dealer network, I’d recommend doing so.

If you want any other info don’t hesitate to email me directly, since I've been thru the hoops I can help you untangle the Kafkaesque maze!

Bend
July 31st 2005, 23:02
Two questions regarding Euros:
1. For someone looking to buy a Z8 now, what is the general spread in price between Euro and U.S. models?
2. What are the issues during the first couple of years of ownership, e.g. service, parts?
Thanks.

macfly
July 31st 2005, 23:19
1.) The spread was considerable when the cars were in warranty, but now they are all coming off warranty there is little reason for the spread to be more than ten percent.

2.) If you're lucky none at all, and I've been lucky with 2 Z8's. There can be a lot of little niggles, the only serious issue was the VANOS on the first year's run. Other than that you can see most of the oher stuff on the board here.

Bend
August 2nd 2005, 05:49
Thanks for the info, Andrew. I checked and there are over 40 listings in AutoTrader now for Z8's. It might be a good time to buy whatever one wants now.
I reviewed the "Gallery". First, the pictures of the members' cars would do justice to a very nice cocktail table book on Z8's. Second, I looked for, but had difficulty finding a Euro rear bumper valance with the long plate shaped scallop showing how one fits U.S. license plates into it. Do you have a picture of yours?
Thanks.

dwz8
August 2nd 2005, 13:12
Andrew,

I heard rumours that the Alpina should have a different steering than the Z8?
Any information on this?

Cheers,
Dieter

macfly
August 2nd 2005, 21:54
Dieter, I didn't hear that the steering was different, the part numbers are all the same from what I can see in my parts book here, so that would suggest that it is the same, but I'll make some enquiries, and see what I can find out.

Jake, here is a shot of my old Euro with the US plate, it just hangs over the scallop in a rather ungainly manner. I was thinking of putting on a special US rear, but without the red side reflectors before I sold that car.

jawz
August 2nd 2005, 22:53
Andrew,

I heard rumours that the Alpina should have a different steering than the Z8?
Any information on this?

Cheers,
Dieter


Dieter,

I believe the steering is the same on my Alpina as that on the normal Z8 so I don't think the steering is any different. However, BMW DID soften the suspension a little to compensate for the low profile tires and 20" wheels. Perhaps that is what you may be referring to?

Auf Wiedersehn,

Terry

macfly
December 26th 2007, 18:20
The dollar's disastrous fall has made US Z8's and Alpina's a real bargain for Europeans. For those thinking of shipping one back to the EU, be careful which country you choose to take it too, because not all countries have the same rules about bringing in cars from the US, and in some areas of Germany it will not be possible to use such a car in any inner city areas because of the new pollution laws that come into effect in Jan 08. While on the surface this may seem an attractive idea it is such untrodden water that it should be done with the greatest of caution, and also with consulting the Z8 Club in Europe about the does, don'ts and hidden bureaucratic sink holes.

Lupin
December 26th 2007, 19:06
Andrew
any idea about Switzerland?
I will probably move there next June, and I want to bring my baby with me.
Luigi

macfly
December 26th 2007, 21:10
I have no idea about Switzerland, but if you are moving it is even more reason to join the Club, as they will certainly be able to help you with the right info to make the move.

jpklecker
April 5th 2010, 15:40
Another difference with the US spec Z8 is the absence of the motion sensor for the alarm system for when the top is down and the alarm is activated.

Z8Mania
July 24th 2011, 22:59
PS- the early US cars do not have the warning screen on the initial boot up - just when you use the nav section. Also the radio only has two voices: D- German; GB- GB English. So the voice I have is a lovely British lady whom I've named "Moneypenny" .. Among the other instructions that my car gets when she goes in for service is "Do not update radio software!!"