Wanted Topaz Blue Z8

[Kevin]

Hi this is my first post here.

I'm currently looking for a Topaz Blue Z8, and was wondering if anyone had one or knows of anyone that wants to sell one.

I was also wondering if there were any updates through the model years that I should be aware of.

Thanks for the Help

[2112]

Great color choice. Good luck! :thumbsup:

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[Kevin]

Ive never seen the blue with red, looks really nice.

[2112]

Yeah, I absolutely am in love with it........No, mine is red over black. I would have taken Topaz but early on, they only came with creme interiors and though I don't dislike creme, it nudged me in favor of red.

[Kevin]

I've been waiting for a topaz one for a while, and can't seem to find one, its almost driving me nuts.

But for me it has to be a topaz and I'm willing to wait cause I plan on keeping the car for 30+ years

[2112]

If my math is correct, 318 built total.

http://bmwz8.us/vbb/showthread.php?t=688

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[Z8Mania]

For some of us color really makes a big difference and if that is you then keep your search alive. When these came out I wasn't sure of topaz but over the years Ive grown to really appreciate it. I think it looks great!

[zilver8]

Kevin, there is a very low mileage (1650 miles) topaz/crema car listed at dupontregistry.com. It's listed for $149K. It's a 2002 year car.

http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/Search/DRauSearchDetails.aspx?itemid=1112414

[Kevin]

Ya I had seen this car on dupont before and was very interested until I found out it was in Canada (I'm trying to avoid grey market cars). Thanks for the help though.

I think part of the reason that its so hard for me to find this car is I'm being very picky, It has to be an '02 or '03 (due to vanos upgrades) with Topaz Blue and an american car, so there aren't many cars left that fit these specifications.

[Ouray]

My tells me I am the only person crazy enough to have a 2010 bmw 750, owned an 03 alpina and also own an FJ Cruiser.... Glad to see I am not the only loon out there....

[hayvenhurstkid]

Canadian cars are the same as US cars. The VIN's are AH followed by five numbers, which is the number of the car. European, or grey market cars are AF followed by five numbers. US and Canadian cars run from 60000 to around 62500. European cars run from 77000 to about 80000. I think the only difference on the Canadian car is the speedo, which is in kilometers instead of miles. I would not let the fact that the car is in Canada stop you from buying the car.
P.S. I just looked at the listing and it says 1,650 miles so it looks like not even the speedo is different. This car can be imported into the US with no modifications necessary. If this is what you really want, and with your stable of cars it certainly is something you can afford, I would jump on this car.

[zilver8]

Kevin, there's a topaz car on vast.com. Vin# is WBAEJ13462AH61278.

Based on the description it might be the same car on the dupont site. By the way, I would jump on that Canada car with under 2K miles.

http://www.vast.com/cars/#!/detail/8525460098083825630

[hayvenhurstkid]

This is a different car. This car is at a place called The Sports Car Company in La Jolla. They buy and sell a lot of Z8's. I was hired by a European buyer to go look at two different cars down there about two months ago. One car I flatly rejected and the other car had all of the typical Z8 issues: foggy headlights, delaminated dash, inop radio, broken convertible top strings, etc. It was a nice car but they are not shy in their asking prices. I told the buyer he would need to spend about $8,000 to make the car perfect. With what they wanted, he passed on the car. NEVER buy a Z8 or any used car for that matter without a knowledgable person doing a pre purchase inspection. On a Z8 it is really important that they know all the little nuances about the car.

[Z8Mania]

Yep- thats the case with any car I think but for the Z8 there are some real potential gotchas!

[Kevin]

Kevin, there's a topaz car on vast.com. Vin# is WBAEJ13462AH61278.

Based on the description it might be the same car on the dupont site. By the way, I would jump on that Canada car with under 2K miles.

http://www.vast.com/cars/#!/detail/8525460098083825630

I saw this car and gave them a call there is something weird going on their because even though there are 18 Z8's listed for sale on their website when I called he told me he only had three (the Topaz one not being one of them)

[2112]

Relisting other dealer's cars for more exposure?

[Kevin]

I guess but I don't know, I was really mad though when I found out, Cause I was really happy when I found the car but then I was like :mad:

[2112]

Kevin, IMHO, the Canadian car is the bomb with that low of mileage (if you can get the price where you are comfortable). It is still a BMWNA car as opposed to a BMWAG car. :3gears:

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[Kevin]

Kevin, IMHO, the Canadian car is the bomb with that low of mileage (if you can get the price where you are comfortable). It is still a BMWNA car as opposed to a BMWAG car. :3gears:

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I will definitely look into it but to be completely honest there is another car that has come to my mind and I don't know if I can afford to have both that and a Z8 right now, I have to think about it and then decide.

For me right now the decision is to either add the Z8 or not get a Z8 and trade in my SLS and a get a SLS Black Series which I heard is coming out.

I think I'm leaning towards the Z8 though

[2112]

Unless it is a Ford GT, you can't beat the Z8 for holding value.

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[Kevin]

Unless it is a Ford GT, you can't beat the Z8 for holding value.

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I don't know I think the SLS should hold its value too, the Ford GT, Z8, and SLS are all based on older classics which is one of the many reasons they will all become desirable in the future.

[Z8Mania]

The SLS is a fantastic driving car. But I don't think it will hold up as well. I think it will see better than typical MB depreciation but thats about it. There will be too many of them and it appears MB wants to do a whole series of these cars. They also are simply not as bespoke as the Z8 nor the Ford GT. Don't misunderstand, in terms of driving dynamics I think the SLS is superior to both cars, I am in the minority, Im not a fan of the Ford GTs driving. Its got difficult visibility and is prone to snap oversteer due to the weight distribution. I also think the heritage is there for the SLS but the 300 SL was truly designed from racing while the 507 was always a street car. Still the SLS is a fine fine driving machine.

[macfly]

If I was a betting man I'd say the SLS will loose 75% MSRP minimum in ten years. My SL is worth exactly 10% of its MSRP and it isn't even ten years old! My Z8 on the other hand is 10 next year, and has only lost 10% of its MSRP.

[canuckjc]

I saw this 2001 with 15K miles (http://www.losgatosluxcars.com/2001-BMW-Z8-Roadster-San-Jose-CA/vd/8685083) while surfing:
It may not be exactly what you're looking for since it's a 2001. A little pricey too, IMO, but that obviously an asking number.

Interesting that they have another for sale too, a silver/black with ~6K miles (http://www.losgatosluxcars.com/2001-BMW-Z8-ROADSTER-San-Jose-CA/vd/8622551):

[2112]

But the Silver car is the "collector's edition".

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[Kevin]

I saw this 2001 with 15K miles (http://www.losgatosluxcars.com/2001-BMW-Z8-Roadster-San-Jose-CA/vd/8685083) while surfing:
It may not be exactly what you're looking for since it's a 2001. A little pricey too, IMO, but that obviously an asking number.

Interesting that they have another for sale too, a silver/black with ~6K miles (http://www.losgatosluxcars.com/2001-BMW-Z8-ROADSTER-San-Jose-CA/vd/8622551):

I'm interested in both, what exactly is the collectors edition. And were there VANOS and other upgrades done in '02? If not I don't mind an '01 if so then I'd rather wait

I just realized the Blue one is a Grey import car (euro lights) so that one I don't really want but the collectors maybe.

[Kevin]

If I was a betting man I'd say the SLS will loose 75% MSRP minimum in ten years. My SL is worth exactly 10% of its MSRP and it isn't even ten years old! My Z8 on the other hand is 10 next year, and has only lost 10% of its MSRP.

Grated I think the SLS will depreciate, but Its very different from a SL (not putting the SL down in anyway). It would be like comparing a 190SL and a 300SL in the 50's and right now one is worth 80K and the other upwards of 500K. I'm not saying the SLS won't depreciate I just think it will become a collector just like its older brother, the gullwing.

[canuckjc]

Kevin,

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but there isn't a special collector's edition...unless you consider all Z8s to be special :)

With respect to the Double Vanos upgrades, perhaps Andrew can offer some wisdom since he's been through a couple of them (http://www.bmwz8.us/vbb/archive/index.php/t-72.html).

There is also some detail in this doc (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bmwz8.us%2Fvbb%2Fattachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D1769%26d%3D1198691890&ei=l2nkTun2BojSiALvk_WmBg&usg=AFQjCNFxkSz7l79cR1KgxIMXn0RHdWn8jA&sig2=2X76WWpHfEQowo_fCRNVmg) about the cut-in dates for production changes to the system.

In all the stuff I read about it, these upgrades were designed to deal with "comfort issues" due to a rattle sound emanating from the unit, sometimes at cold start, and sometimes persistent.

Someone please jump in here if there's more to it than that. I'd be interested myself.

[Charles]

Also look at the Z8 History, PDF's and Movies section. The first post has a couple of Vanos articles. You will find the major upgrade was installed in all cars produced 1/01 and after, as shown on the door vin tag. Ones produced 9/01 - 12/01 have an easy fix; those before a more difficult fix as shown in one article. Many board members have early cars, never had the fix, and have no problem. Nevertheless, I focused on 1/01 and later cars.

If price is an issue for you, the answer is simple. Once the cars get to 20k plus miles the price becomes more negotiable. Lower mileage cars are collected and driven very lightly to keep their value. There also seems to be a break point at 40K mile cars and usually earlier year cars are a bit less than later cars....but condition is key here.

If you search my relatively sporadic posts you will find the common things I saw. If you search the more voluminous posts by Marty Wiener (havenhurstkid), you will see quite a few posts on car buying tips which are invaluable.

There is also a good thread on "what came with the car."

After that I suggest you look at some cars, particularly the interior. What I found often gets overlooked is sun damage. My test was to always look at the red inserts in the seat belt receptacles and the interior of the soft top. Have the paint thickness tested with an aluminum paint meter when you have it inspected (bumpers are plastic and can't be tested). Look for a dash top delamination, broken strings inside the soft top, fog in the headlights, and a distortion in the mirror. All fixable, but some BMW dealers miss these in inspections.

As for mods, I got the 3 most common, the Performance Package (PP) bar to protect the strut towers from deforming, Michelin MPS2 tires (now hard to find) to replace the run flats for the same reason, and clutch CDV removal, all of which you can read about in other threads. Most would agree the PP is a must.

[Z8Mania]

My car is very early, never had the fix done, runs fine. Was told its not worth it to do the fix and I have it in writing so if/ when it becomes an issue I have backup.

Kevin, IMHO, the SLS won't attain collector status. I think it will hold its value better than the SL but its depreciation profile will be a lot closer to that of the current SL than the 300 SL's appreciation. The 300 SL's frame and doors were necessitated by the racing demands of the day. The SLS' doors are there just as a way to harken back to the 300 SL. I just think the market won't see the SLS as a "modern classic". That being said, it is a lovely modern car, an absolute blast to drive.

[Norcal]

I agree, the SLS will not appreciate any time soon, or even ever. But, by your own logic, why has the Z8? Certainly many things including the shape were necessitated back in the day, but not today.

[hayvenhurstkid]

The SLS is a great modern car but is just a production car. Not only will it never go up in value, I agree with Andrew that ten years down the road they will be worth only a fraction of their original price. Ferrari F360 spyders were 100K over window when they came out. Today? Worth about $70,000 for a really good one. IMHO, the Z8 will be the next 300SL roadster of the future. It will take more time but they will continue to go up in value. I own a 2011 Mercedes C63 AMG. While it is no SLS, they are built in limited numbers. It is a blast to drive. Resale? Lucky if it holds 50% over three years. Keep your current SLS, forget the Black Series, and go buy a Z8.

[Z8Mania]

Well thats a good question. First off, sorry for the diversion of the original intent of the thread. Of course, I don't know; but I have a theory which I gave a hint above.

1- not part of (nor derived from) an ongoing series (3 series, M3, 911, Ferrari 308,328,355, 360,430,458 you get the idea). When a car is, like say the Ferraris above, the market simply knows something better, faster, newer, more sexy is coming and that devalues the current car. Also the manufacturer usually has it as a core part of the business.

2- Legitimate to the heritage it calls upon.

3- hand built or partially hand built and bespoke.

(and possibly)
4- A bit of a surprise from a marque thats generally known primarily for sedans and coupes; not "romantic" roadsters.

Lets run the Z8:

1- The Z8 is not a part of a series of cars.

It is linked into the 507, but thats not a series. We don't know if we'll see a successor.

2- As the 507 wasn't a racing car- it was really a nice GT/ lifestyle car, and as the Z8 was meant to be a homage to the 507, its purpose I think was primarily to look good. Thats about it. It does- and more. :) But the important part here is that what makes the Z8 a legitimate successor, in so far as it can be, to the 507, is good looks.

3- The Z8 is partially hand built and it uses many bespoke parts.

4- A romantic super roadster is not what BMW is generally known for.

So lets run the factors on the SLS

1- The SLS is not derived from any series. However, it appears they will do successors to it. And yes it does come from the very fantastic 300 SL Gullwing and roadster. Mercedes is going to do black series of the SLS gullwing and Im not sure if they will do it to the roadster. I suppose you could argue that the alloy Gullwing and roadsters could be akin to the Black Series- something more- but to me something like the Black Series just makes you wonder if the SLS was supposed to be the Ultimate, then what does this mean, and what does that mean when the SLS successor comes out.

2- The 300SL Gullwing has its most well known characteristics because its basically a road version of racing car. It has a really thick structure, especially the frame tubes that run by the door openings. The problem was they were so high that a traditional door wouldn't work so they came up with the gulling doors- which has turned into something truly iconic. This was borne out of racing. And it doesn't hurt that the 300SL and its roadster variant are great looking cars. To me, the SLS can't really make that racing link to the past because its really not based on a race car at all. Theres no need to have the gullwing doors- so they turn more into a novelty. Some might say gimmick, and from another marque I might agree, but I think its perhaps most Mercedes' iconic look so I think its great that they play to it. However, here we're talking about what makes for a modern classic. And if you're trying to play off past success, then with cars that often has to do with racing, and here there is simply no link. Its simply a really nice road car. Same for the roadster. Its kind of like the issue with the Ferrari 599 GTO. Its never seen competition.

The SLS is far from a bad looking car, but I don't think it will be remembered as one of the most beautiful Mercedes of all time, whereas the Z8 I think will be remembered as one of the better looking BMWs. I don't think its looks will refine the icon of the Gullwing- they just borrow from it.

3- I don't think the SLS is very much hand built, nor is it very bespoke, aside from the doors. Inside, the interior could be out of an E class. Its very nice, but it doesn't feel special.

4- Like BMW, Mercedes is generally known more for sedans and coupes but it has historically offered a broader range of cars and some of those you could call super cars and the history on those is mixed. You have cars like SL65 AMG, the SLR, the CL 65 AMG. Some good stuff there, but are any of those desirable as collectables today? Even the SLR, they view it as a disappointment and I do too.

So in the end, that's how I see it for the SLS. A friend of mine has one- its a fantastic car- he's let me drive on several occasions. I really enjoy it. But as to holding value- I think the market will look at it kind of like a super SL 65 AMG.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't get the black series. Its not the most financial prudent thing you could do, but generally cars aren't- unless you compare them to boats, or planes, or serious drug addiction or women ;)

I didn't get the Z8 based on financials- I got it because I simply think its gorgeous and I liked how it drove- and still do on both counts. That its held up pretty well is gravy for me.

[Norcal]

I think the only hole in your vision, is that the 507 was essentially a flop, unlike the 300. Odd that BMW would derive a new icon based on an old flop. Did the 507 gain desirability from the Z8, or did BMW see it coming and create the Z8 to leverage that awareness/value?

Great assessment though. I think most points sum up why the Z8 is so special.

[2112]

Though I agree with all the points mentioned by Mania, I think what makes a supercar (for lack of a more accurate descriptor) hold it's value (or increase) in the short term is the total lack of a replacement model of any kind.

In the very long term, this probably doesn't matter as much though the pre 73' F-cars that bring the huge money were often not directly replaced in addition to being produced in very small numbers.

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[Charles]

I had not heard that the 507 was a flop. I think it became a collectible icon before the Z8 was a glimmer in Fisker's eye, though. Not a great collectible, but probably one of the few significant BMW collectibles. Over the years I saw them go for a ridiculously high $125K, then $250K, then $400K. I think they sell for a bit more now, but I don't think the 507 is retaining or gaining it's value from the Z8; if anything it is the latter.

I'm just glad they did not call the Z8 the "508", lest it fall into the trap of being a true retro. Best to let the heritage be symbolic and for each car to stand on it's own. There are a few truly unique things about the Z8 over other cars of its ilk. The stock neon taillights come to mind. But the thing to me that makes the Z8 truly different is the hand built simple billet aluminum ac, turn signals, etc, and moreover the way the interior of the car visually carries over to the exterior, most dramatically in the silver, black and topaz cars, where the interior color echos the exterior in a literal way. There are a lot of cars with beautiful exteriors, but none I have seen with simple interiors that eschew the parts bin, kit car or "leather and wood everywhere" look to create the feeling that you are both inside and outside at the same time.

[Charles]

I had not heard that the 507 was a flop. I think it became a collectible icon before the Z8 was a glimmer in Fisker's eye, though. Not a great collectible, but probably one of the few significant BMW collectibles. Over the years I saw them go for a ridiculously high $125K, then $250K, then $400K. I think they sell for a bit more now, but I don't think the 507 is retaining or gaining it's value from the Z8; if anything it is the latter.

I'm just glad they did not name it the 508, lest it fall into the trap of being a true retro. Best to let the heritage be symbolic and for each car to stand on it's own. There are a few truly unique things about the Z8 over other cars of its ilk. The stock neon taillights come to mind. But the thing to me that makes the Z8 truly different is the hand built simple billet aluminum ac, turn signals, etc, and moreover the way the interior of the car visually carries over to the exterior, most dramatically in the silver, black and topaz cars, where the interior color echos the exterior in a literal way. There are a lot of cars with beautiful exteriors, but none I have seen with simple interiors that eschew the parts bin, kit car or "leather and wood everywhere" look.

[Norcal]

The 507 was a flop. A lame attempt by BMW to capitalize on post war americans buying mostly Italian and British roadsters. It was designed to ride the coattails of the 300SL which it couldn't. The price was higher, and the power was anemic even in its day. Mercedes had dominated many pre war races, worldwide, and rose up again after the war with numerous variations of the SL, competing and winning on a global level. BMW had no such provenance, winning very few events in the 328 etc. Neither before nor after did BMW ever do a similar car. In fact, other than the 300SL, what other German car was even similar in style? After the 507 BMW quickly moved again into practical transportation for the masses, then eventually evolved into the "Sport sedan", what they have built their reputation on. The Z8 was another Hail-mary. Did it work? Much better than the 507! This time american consumers had no competition in capturing the spirit of the late 50s/early 60s roadster, and the performance was competitive with offering from other manufacturers.

Don't get me wrong, you know I love the Z8, and I like the 507 too, but the 507 was derivative from day one. It is desirable now because it is an oddity. One of very few german cars from perhaps the greatest period in automotive design.... but still riding the coattails of the Italian cars etc.

[2112]

I'm just glad they did not call the Z8 the "508", lest it fall into the trap of being a true retro. .

I was hoping they were going to stick with Z07. :cool:

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[JoshB]

I never buy a car with resale value in mind. I generally love a car for esthetic or sentimental reasons, buy it and hold onto to it(I have had my 74 3.0csi for 22 years, my Isetta 600 for 12 and my Z8 for 3) but it is nice to see the market appreciate and value your choice. If you need to sell it for an unforseen event its good to know you have not squandered your money on the hot thing of the moment.

[macfly]

There is one other small detail that hasn't really been mentioned here, beauty.

The SLS is faster, more modern, more of a technological tour de force, but to my eyes it lacks the one thing that really made me fall in love with the Z8, beauty. That is the one quality the SLS simply doesnt have.

[Kevin]

Well thats a good question. First off, sorry for the diversion of the original intent of the thread. Of course, I don't know; but I have a theory which I gave a hint above.

1- not part of (nor derived from) an ongoing series (3 series, M3, 911, Ferrari 308,328,355, 360,430,458 you get the idea). When a car is, like say the Ferraris above, the market simply knows something better, faster, newer, more sexy is coming and that devalues the current car. Also the manufacturer usually has it as a core part of the business.

2- Legitimate to the heritage it calls upon.

3- hand built or partially hand built and bespoke.

(and possibly)
4- A bit of a surprise from a marque thats generally known primarily for sedans and coupes; not "romantic" roadsters.

Lets run the Z8:

1- The Z8 is not a part of a series of cars.

It is linked into the 507, but thats not a series. We don't know if we'll see a successor.

2- As the 507 wasn't a racing car- it was really a nice GT/ lifestyle car, and as the Z8 was meant to be a homage to the 507, its purpose I think was primarily to look good. Thats about it. It does- and more. :) But the important part here is that what makes the Z8 a legitimate successor, in so far as it can be, to the 507, is good looks.

3- The Z8 is partially hand built and it uses many bespoke parts.

4- A romantic super roadster is not what BMW is generally known for.

So lets run the factors on the SLS

1- The SLS is not derived from any series. However, it appears they will do successors to it. And yes it does come from the very fantastic 300 SL Gullwing and roadster. Mercedes is going to do black series of the SLS gullwing and Im not sure if they will do it to the roadster. I suppose you could argue that the alloy Gullwing and roadsters could be akin to the Black Series- something more- but to me something like the Black Series just makes you wonder if the SLS was supposed to be the Ultimate, then what does this mean, and what does that mean when the SLS successor comes out.

2- The 300SL Gullwing has its most well known characteristics because its basically a road version of racing car. It has a really thick structure, especially the frame tubes that run by the door openings. The problem was they were so high that a traditional door wouldn't work so they came up with the gulling doors- which has turned into something truly iconic. This was borne out of racing. And it doesn't hurt that the 300SL and its roadster variant are great looking cars. To me, the SLS can't really make that racing link to the past because its really not based on a race car at all. Theres no need to have the gullwing doors- so they turn more into a novelty. Some might say gimmick, and from another marque I might agree, but I think its perhaps most Mercedes' iconic look so I think its great that they play to it. However, here we're talking about what makes for a modern classic. And if you're trying to play off past success, then with cars that often has to do with racing, and here there is simply no link. Its simply a really nice road car. Same for the roadster. Its kind of like the issue with the Ferrari 599 GTO. Its never seen competition.

The SLS is far from a bad looking car, but I don't think it will be remembered as one of the most beautiful Mercedes of all time, whereas the Z8 I think will be remembered as one of the better looking BMWs. I don't think its looks will refine the icon of the Gullwing- they just borrow from it.

3- I don't think the SLS is very much hand built, nor is it very bespoke, aside from the doors. Inside, the interior could be out of an E class. Its very nice, but it doesn't feel special.

4- Like BMW, Mercedes is generally known more for sedans and coupes but it has historically offered a broader range of cars and some of those you could call super cars and the history on those is mixed. You have cars like SL65 AMG, the SLR, the CL 65 AMG. Some good stuff there, but are any of those desirable as collectables today? Even the SLR, they view it as a disappointment and I do too.

So in the end, that's how I see it for the SLS. A friend of mine has one- its a fantastic car- he's let me drive on several occasions. I really enjoy it. But as to holding value- I think the market will look at it kind of like a super SL 65 AMG.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't get the black series. Its not the most financial prudent thing you could do, but generally cars aren't- unless you compare them to boats, or planes, or serious drug addiction or women ;)

I didn't get the Z8 based on financials- I got it because I simply think its gorgeous and I liked how it drove- and still do on both counts. That its held up pretty well is gravy for me.


There are things I agree with and things I don't agree with.
The SLS is hand built, the chassis is hand built the same place the G-Wagon is built (Mercedes's hand built factory) then the chassis is sent to another factory where they only build hand built SLS's. To me the only thing that might hold back the SLS becoming a huge collectable is how many they are going to make; only 500 were made in 2011. And I've been told by Mercedes that we won't be having a successor to the SLS. And as far as the SLS sharing components with other regular MB's so did the 300SL, when Mercedes made the 300 they were near bankruptcy so they just took engine parts, suspension, and other things from other regular sedans.

As far as depreciation, the 300SL's were not even expensive till about 20 years ago, so I do believe the SLS will follow the same path of depreciation then appreciation.

[hayvenhurstkid]

Pristine 507's sell for in excess of $1,000,000! Only 252 ever sold. As Andrew said about the Z8 can also be said about the 507. It is beautiful to look at. They were way too expensive and sat unsold on dealer showroom floors sometimes for over two years. Towards the end of the 300SL roadster production, the price had risen to $11,500, an astounding amount of money in 1962/63. They too were tough sellers at the end of their production run. 300SL values began to take off in the late 80's. They were on an upward trajectory for years before that but prices exploded in the late 80's. The SLS will never do that, again, just my opinion. Superb car, but not a thing of beauty. Now your 280SE 3.5 cabriolet, that is a thing of beauty! I just sold one as part of a pair of collectible Mercedes for $250,000. It had just 19,000 original miles, was completely original, and in pristine showroom condition. Plus, it was a beautiful and rare color: non metallic dark blue with a parchment interior and a floor shift automatic. You can look it up in the Z8 chat room under "Classic car prices" thread.

[Kevin]

Pristine 507's sell for in excess of $1,000,000! Only 252 ever sold. As Andrew said about the Z8 can also be said about the 507. It is beautiful to look at. They were way too expensive and sat unsold on dealer showroom floors sometimes for over two years. Towards the end of the 300SL roadster production, the price had risen to $11,500, an astounding amount of money in 1962/63. They too were tough sellers at the end of their production run. 300SL values began to take off in the late 80's. They were on an upward trajectory for years before that but prices exploded in the late 80's. The SLS will never do that, again, just my opinion. Superb car, but not a thing of beauty. Now your 280SE 3.5 cabriolet, that is a thing of beauty! I just sold one as part of a pair of collectible Mercedes for $250,000. It had just 19,000 original miles, was completely original, and in pristine showroom condition. Plus, it was a beautiful and rare color: non metallic dark blue with a parchment interior and a floor shift automatic. You can look it up in the Z8 chat room under "Classic car prices" thread.


On another topic I'm looking to restore my 3.5, its all original right now but is in need of a repaint. Would you be able to suggest anywhere in the tristate area. The price of these have sky rocketed. We bought it in the 90's for around 45K, i see them selling now for around 250K, theres even one for sale for 314K in europe.

[hayvenhurstkid]

I would check out Hatch and Sons in Hudson, Ma. They have a very good reputation and are very familiar with 3.5's.

[Kevin]

Still looking for a clean later topaz car if anyone is willing to sell theirs

:)

[hayvenhurstkid]

Hard car to find. I have a buyer in the Phillipines desperately looking for a Topaz Z8.

[JoshB]

Still know of one low mileage for sale ten miles from me for 100k. I think your fear of a car with a dinan software upgrade is unwarranted.

[Z8Mania]

I would think it really depends on how the car was driven and how many miles. In my light reading about our motor's longevity, it seems that doing a lot of high RPM driving is really a problem for the motor and the Dinan software does raise the redline a tad. I would not let that stop me, I would just take it under advisement. No matter how you slice it, you're buying a ~10+ year old car and every one is bound to have issues- even a 500 mile one- those issues might even be worse! Josh whats the interior color? I like topaz.

[Kevin]

Still know of one low mileage for sale ten miles from me for 100k. I think your fear of a car with a dinan software upgrade is unwarranted.

The software isn't the only thing that bothers me, its the idea that the owner did the upgrade to improve performance meaning that there is a high chance that he pushed the car hard (this is what really bothers me).

But what year is it and whats the interior color?

[Kevin]

I know about the thread about sports car company and I've had my little fight with the guy too.

But does anyone know anything about this car

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-BMW-Z8-ROADSTER-VERY-LOW-MILES-RARE-EXAMPLE-EXCELLENT-CONDITION-INSIDE-OUT-/220935403957?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3370c6b9b5#ht_12905wt_991

[Klaney]

Speaking of appreciation...it looks as though Ford Gt on a serious up swing as well.
Looks like average asking prices up about 20% in the last year.
Kevin

[JoshB]

The software isn't the only thing that bothers me, its the idea that the owner did the upgrade to improve performance meaning that there is a high chance that he pushed the car hard (this is what really bothers me).

But what year is it and whats the interior color?

Has the creama interior,performance package and a meiserschiff exhaust

[Z8Mania]

Yeah the Ford GT is doing great.

Just to play Devil's Advocate on the topaz Dinan Z8, so many of us Z8 owners have done mods that make performance better but it doesn't necessarily mean we are running the car so hard. The Dinan software doesn't just raise the redline, it also gives the car a little more aggressive throttle map. I wouldn't rule out the car with those mods, I would just pay extra attention to the motor.

[Norcal]

At least the install of the PP shows the owner cared about the car. What does a new motor cost anyway?

[Kevin]

At least the install of the PP shows the owner cared about the car. What does a new motor cost anyway?

Honestly I have no clue how much they cost but I would guess about 10-15K for a brand new one. But its not only buying a new engine, I plan on keeping the car long term and a new engine would make it no longer a numbers matching car.

[Norcal]

Should there be an engine problem for any of us, it might just be a rebuild, so no numbers miss-match. And probably much cheaper.

[macfly]

Also there have not yet been any serious engine issues with these cars, they are strong motors.

[Musta10000]

Here is a post fom a couple of years ago from the M5 Board referring to a quote of $35K for a new engine -

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/140361-s62-engine-replacement-failed-connector-rod-bushing.html

[Z8Mania]

OK- say its 35k for a new engine. Compare that to the retail cost of a new frame.... its probably 1/2 of that cost. So when evaluating the Z8, the engine is not the weak spot. You just have to know what to look at. I do think you have to look at the engine with any car though. If it was me, the Dinan software would not stop me, Id want the engine to be checked out either way. I believe they can do compression tests etc on the motor.

[macfly]

Also speaking of Dinan, no one has more experience with our S62 than they do, so should there ever be the need I'd simply get my motor fully rebuilt by them, not quite to their Daytona Protype specs, but I'd use those specs as a starting point, and scale it back to be maybe 500hp

[macfly]

By the way, let us know if this thread is done, as in this section we want to keep just current 'wanted' threads alive, everything else here is a database of sold cars.

[Kevin]

I'm still looking

[EDEZ8]

I'm still looking

If you're in the market for a driver, I just saw a listing on cars.com for a one-owner 43K mile blue/crema Z8 for sale in Manhattan. There's also a 3K mile blue/crema Z8 in Ohio.

I hope these leads help with your search...

[Kevin]

If you're in the market for a driver, I just saw a listing on cars.com for a one-owner 43K mile blue/crema Z8 for sale in Manhattan. There's also a 3K mile blue/crema Z8 in Ohio.

I hope these leads help with your search...

Thanks, the one in Manhattan looks really beaten up in the pics, I'm definitely gonna call about the 3k mile one, price is a little high but lets see what I can do.

[hayvenhurstkid]

Here is the listing. They have two Z8's for sale.
http://enthusiastauto.com/qsearch/?form_request=56&action=results&showres=1&1268_0=10&selLevel_1268%5B0%5D=1&selLevel_1268%5B1%5D=10&1574_0=1

[macfly]

Prices really are firm, despite the economy, looking good for the long term for sure!

[christopherburnside]

There is also a topaz blue on crema on autotrader with 3k miles for 141900.

good luck, love the blue.

[hayvenhurstkid]

The silver 03 posted above just sold for full asking price.

[macfly]

Here they are....

[EAG]

Kevin,

I'd be happy to share all the information with you on the 02 Topaz Z8 we have in stock. Call me anytime or drop me your email address for 65+ detailed photos.

-Eric

[jwgerritsen]

There is one less in the US as mine came in just in today (i imported one from the us to europe). I am a happy driver. Good luck with the search, great color!

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[Charles]

I think I remember that car when it sold on eBay. Am I correct that it was almost a year ago that you won the auction? If so, the importation must take a really long time to get approved.

[jwgerritsen]

I think I remember that car when it sold on eBay. Am I correct that it was almost a year ago that you won the auction? If so, the importation must take a really long time to get approved.

Hi Charles, you have a good memory. Its correct i bought it a year ago and brought the car to a friend of mine in SF, we used the car there for some holiday trips through CA. The whole export/import time was around 3 months, but due to the price difference of (in mine case) 30-40% worth while waiting a bit